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How do you explain consciousness?

Now, about 20 years ago, all that began to change. Neuroscientists like Francis Crick and physicists like Roger Penrose said now is the time for science to attack consciousness. And since then, there's been a real explosion, a flowering of scientific work on consciousness. And this work has been wonderful. It's been great. But it also has some fundamental limitations so far. The centerpiece of the science of consciousness in recent years has been the search for correlations, correlations between certain areas of the brain and certain states of consciousness. We saw some of this kind of work from Nancy Kanwisher and the wonderful work she presented just a few minutes ago. Now we understand much better, for example, the kinds of brain areas that go along with the conscious experience of seeing faces or of feeling pain or of feeling happy. But this is still a science of correlations. It's not a science of explanations. We know that these brain areas go along with certain kinds of conscious experience, but we don't know why they do. I like to put this by saying that this kind of work from neuroscience is answering some of the questions we want answered about consciousness, the questions about what certain brain areas do and what they correlate with. But in a certain sense, those are the easy problems. No knock on the neuroscientists. There are no truly easy problems with consciousness. But it doesn't address the real mystery at the core of this subject: why is it that all that physical processing in a brain should be accompanied by consciousness at all? Why is there this inner subjective movie? Right now, we don't really have a bead on that.

Now, I'm a scientific materialist at heart. I want a scientific theory of consciousness that works, and for a long time, I banged my head against the wall looking for a theory of consciousness in purely physical terms that would work. But I eventually came to the conclusion that that just didn't work for systematic reasons. It's a long story, but the core idea is just that what you get from purely reductionist explanations in physical terms, in brain-based terms, is stories about the functioning of a system, its structure, its dynamics, the behavior it produces, great for solving the easy problems — how we behave, how we function — but when it comes to subjective experience — why does all this feel like something from the inside? — that's something fundamentally new, and it's always a further question. So I think we're at a kind of impasse here. We've got this wonderful, great chain of explanation, we're used to it, where physics explains chemistry, chemistry explains biology, biology explains parts of psychology. But consciousness doesn't seem to fit into this picture. On the one hand, it's a datum that we're conscious. On the other hand, we don't know how to accommodate it into our scientific view of the world. So I think consciousness right now is a kind of anomaly, one that we need to integrate into our view of the world, but we don't yet see how. Faced with an anomaly like this, radical ideas may be needed, and I think that we may need one or two ideas that initially seem crazy before we can come to grips with consciousness scientifically.

The first crazy idea is that consciousness is fundamental. Physicists sometimes take some aspects of the universe as fundamental building blocks: space and time and mass. They postulate fundamental laws governing them, like the laws of gravity or of quantum mechanics. These fundamental properties and laws aren't explained in terms of anything more basic. Rather, they're taken as primitive, and you build up the world from there. Now sometimes, the list of fundamentals expands. In the 19th century, Maxwell figured out that you can't explain electromagnetic phenomena in terms of the existing fundamentals — space, time, mass, Newton's laws — so he postulated fundamental laws of electromagnetism and postulated electric charge as a fundamental element that those laws govern. I think that's the situation we're in with consciousness. If you can't explain consciousness in terms of the existing fundamentals — space, time, mass, charge — then as a matter of logic, you need to expand the list. The natural thing to do is to postulate consciousness itself as something fundamental, a fundamental building block of nature. This doesn't mean you suddenly can't do science with it. This opens up the way for you to do science with it. What we then need is to study the fundamental laws governing consciousness, the laws that connect consciousness to other fundamentals: space, time, mass, physical processes. Physicists sometimes say that we want fundamental laws so simple that we could write them on the front of a t-shirt. Well I think something like that is the situation we're in with consciousness. We want to find fundamental laws so simple we could write them on the front of a t-shirt. We don't know what those laws are yet, but that's what we're after.

Thank you.

大約在20年前, 所有這些都開始改變了。 像弗朗西斯·克里克這樣的神經(jīng)科學(xué)家 以及像羅杰·彭羅斯這樣的物理學(xué)家 都說(shuō)現(xiàn)在正是科學(xué)向意識(shí)方面進(jìn)攻 的時(shí)候。 從那以來(lái), 關(guān)于意識(shí)方面的科學(xué)研究 遍地開花。 這項(xiàng)研究很奇妙,很了不起。 但是迄今為止它也還有一些 根本的局限性。 近幾年 意識(shí)科學(xué)研究的核心 是尋找相關(guān)性, 關(guān)于大腦的特定區(qū)域 和特定的意識(shí)狀態(tài)之間的相關(guān)性。 我們看了南?!た簿S舍 做的一些這方面的研究以及幾分鐘之前 她剛剛提交的精彩工作。 現(xiàn)在我們有了更好的理解,例如, 不同的大腦區(qū)域?qū)?yīng)著不同 的意識(shí)體驗(yàn):人臉識(shí)別 或者感受痛苦 或者感受快樂(lè)。 但這仍然是關(guān)于相關(guān)性的科學(xué)。 這不是意識(shí)科學(xué)。 我們知道這些大腦區(qū)域 對(duì)應(yīng)著特定的意識(shí)體驗(yàn), 但是我們不知道為什么會(huì)這樣。 我想說(shuō)的是, 神經(jīng)科學(xué)方面的這種研究 正回答著那些 我們想要回答的關(guān)于意識(shí)、 關(guān)于某些特定大腦區(qū)域做些什么 以及對(duì)應(yīng)哪種(意識(shí)體驗(yàn))的問(wèn)題。 但是從某種意義上來(lái)說(shuō),這些都是簡(jiǎn)單的問(wèn)題。 都不是神經(jīng)科學(xué)家想要研究的。 沒(méi)有真正的關(guān)于意識(shí)的簡(jiǎn)單問(wèn)題。 它沒(méi)能解開關(guān)于這個(gè)課題的核心 的真正謎團(tuán): 為什么大腦中所有的物理過(guò)程 必須伴隨著意識(shí)? 為什么會(huì)有這種內(nèi)心的主觀電影的存在? 目前為止,我們對(duì)此還沒(méi)有一點(diǎn)頭緒。

現(xiàn)在,我本質(zhì)上是一個(gè)科學(xué)唯物主義者。 我希望某種關(guān)于意識(shí)的科學(xué)理論 能夠奏效, 在過(guò)去很長(zhǎng)一段時(shí)間里, 我埋頭苦干, 努力尋找一種有效的 單從物理的角度去解釋的 關(guān)于意識(shí)的理論。 但我最終得出一個(gè)結(jié)論, 那就是它不起作用只是因?yàn)橄到y(tǒng)性的原因。 說(shuō)來(lái)話長(zhǎng), 但是這個(gè)故事的核心就是 你從在物理方面,在基于大腦方面的 純粹的還原論者的解釋中得到的東西, 是關(guān)于一個(gè)系統(tǒng)的功能、 它的結(jié)構(gòu)、它的動(dòng)力、 以及它所產(chǎn)生的行為的, 它可以很好地解決簡(jiǎn)單問(wèn)題—— 比如說(shuō)我們?nèi)绾伪憩F(xiàn),我們?nèi)绾位顒?dòng)—— 但是當(dāng)它涉及到主觀體驗(yàn)時(shí)—— 比如說(shuō)為什么所有這些都感覺(jué)像是來(lái)自內(nèi)心的某些東西?—— 這是一些全新的東西, 并且它總會(huì)成為一個(gè)更深層次的問(wèn)題。 因此我想我們進(jìn)入了僵局。 我們已經(jīng)有了一套美妙的、偉大的解釋鏈, 我們已經(jīng)習(xí)慣了它,那就是用用物理解釋化學(xué), 用化學(xué)解釋生物, 用生物解釋部分心理學(xué)。 但是意識(shí) 似乎并不符合這種情形。 一方面,它是一個(gè)已知數(shù) 即我們是有意識(shí)的。 另一方面,我們卻并不知道 如何使它與我們的科學(xué)的世界觀相適應(yīng)。 所以我認(rèn)為就目前而言意識(shí) 是一種反常事物, 是一種需要我們將它整合到 我們的世界觀中,而我們卻還不知道如何整合的事物。 面對(duì)這樣的反常事物, 我們可能需要一些激進(jìn)的想法, 并且我認(rèn)為我們可能需要一兩個(gè) 在我們可以科學(xué)地 面對(duì)意識(shí)之前 看起來(lái)很瘋狂的想法。

第一種瘋狂想法是 意識(shí)是一種基本概念。 物理學(xué)家有時(shí)候會(huì)把宇宙中的某些方面 作為基本概念,如: 空間、時(shí)間和質(zhì)量。 他們?cè)O(shè)定了一些基本定律去管理它們, 例如重力定律和量子力學(xué)定律。 這些基本性質(zhì)和定律 不能解釋一些更基礎(chǔ)的東西。 這相當(dāng)于以它們?yōu)楦荆?/a> 然后你在它們的基礎(chǔ)上建立這個(gè)世界。 現(xiàn)在,這張基本定律名單會(huì)不時(shí)擴(kuò)大。 在19世紀(jì),麥克斯韋斷定 你無(wú)法用當(dāng)時(shí)存在的基本概念—— 空間、時(shí)間、質(zhì)量、牛頓定律—— 去解釋電磁現(xiàn)象, 因此他設(shè)定了電磁學(xué)的 基本定律, 并且設(shè)定了電荷 作為這些定律的 基本元素。 我認(rèn)為這與我們?cè)谘芯恳庾R(shí)上的 情形是一樣的。 如果我們不能用現(xiàn)存的基本概念—— 時(shí)間、空間、質(zhì)量、電荷—— 去解釋意識(shí), 那么從邏輯上而言,你需要去擴(kuò)充這張名單。 接下來(lái)將意識(shí)本身設(shè)定為 某種根本性的東西, 作為自然界的基本概念就是一件自然而然的事。 這并不意味著突然間你不能用它來(lái)研究科學(xué)了。 這反而是為你開僻了一條用它來(lái)研究科學(xué)的道路。 然后我們需要做的就是研究 那些掌控著意識(shí)的基本定律, 那些將意識(shí)與其它基本概念—— 空間、時(shí)間、質(zhì)量、物理過(guò)程—— 聯(lián)系在一起的定律。 物理學(xué)家有時(shí)候說(shuō) 我們希望那些基本定律可以簡(jiǎn)單到 能夠把它們寫在T恤上。 我想我們?cè)趯?duì)意識(shí)的研究上 也應(yīng)該這樣。 我希望我們發(fā)現(xiàn)的關(guān)于意識(shí)的基本定律也可以簡(jiǎn)單到 能夠把它們寫在T恤上。 我們現(xiàn)在還不知道這些定律是什么, 但這是我們正在尋找的。


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