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11月17日，年度超級(jí)英雄大片《正義聯(lián)盟》即將同步登陸北美、國(guó)內(nèi)院線。

《蝙蝠俠：黑暗騎士》、《蝙蝠俠：黑暗騎士崛起》、《超人：鋼鐵之軀》、《蝙蝠俠大戰(zhàn)超人》、《自殺小隊(duì)》、《神奇女俠》....在過(guò)去的10多年中，DC的一系列作品讓觀眾的人生充滿幻想，讓觀眾的瞳孔大開(kāi)眼界。而今，曾經(jīng)獨(dú)霸一方的蝙蝠俠、神奇女神等五位來(lái)自不同時(shí)空的超級(jí)英雄，即將第一次組團(tuán)“打怪獸”。

“超級(jí)英雄組團(tuán)打怪”，這是最讓DC粉們沸騰的。貓眼數(shù)據(jù)顯示，目前，該片上映的前四天排片率分別為42.1%、49.4%、53.5%、47.1%，可見(jiàn)國(guó)內(nèi)市場(chǎng)對(duì)《正義聯(lián)盟》的期待之高。

當(dāng)然，作為DC電影宇宙重啟后的第五部作品，《正義聯(lián)盟》的意義不僅是DC到目前為止最龐大的電影計(jì)劃，也意味著DC和漫威的銀幕戰(zhàn)爭(zhēng)已經(jīng)日趨白熱化。而查爾斯·羅文作為DC宇宙中連接漫畫和電影最關(guān)鍵的人物之一，《正義聯(lián)盟》或許是他在DC擔(dān)任制片人的最后一部電影了。

近日，查爾斯·羅文在接受【話娛】專訪時(shí)，不僅首次正面回應(yīng)了去年5月坊間傳聞的“因受《蝙蝠俠大戰(zhàn)超人》失利影響被降職”這一事件。同時(shí)，作為一位與DC合作了12年之久，制作過(guò)《黑暗騎士》三部曲、《神奇女俠》《蝙蝠俠大戰(zhàn)超人》等影片的好萊塢資深制片人，查爾斯·羅文還與【話娛】記者分享了多年漫改電影的心得，這些或許也能為日益崛起的國(guó)漫電影帶來(lái)一些啟發(fā)。

為了更加完整、客觀地呈現(xiàn)查爾斯·羅文對(duì)制作漫改電影的心得，【話娛】現(xiàn)將中英文采訪原稿分享給大家。

蝙蝠俠、神奇女俠等組團(tuán)“打怪”，各超級(jí)英雄的角色平衡是關(guān)鍵

Q：In your film career in DC，you have produced so many successful movies，compared with the works before， what's the unique difference of JUSTICE LEAGUE? 

你在DC已經(jīng)制作了很多成功的電影，與以前的作品相比，《正義聯(lián)盟》（JUSTICE LEAGUE）的獨(dú)特之處在哪里？

A： I think the biggest difference in 《Justice league》 is， most of the DC films that I worked on before，That was the very clost world。

When we started a man with still, we knew that we are gonna create a universe of aliens, super heros, and tried to pulling many of DC characters。 So that was completely different of creating process we are doing for that sections of movies。

我認(rèn)為《正義聯(lián)盟》最大的不同之處在于區(qū)別于我之前做過(guò)的大部分DC電影，以前的世界觀是相對(duì)封閉的。在拍攝《超人：鋼鐵之軀》的時(shí)候，我們就開(kāi)始創(chuàng)造一個(gè)超級(jí)英雄的世界，并試圖拉進(jìn)來(lái)一些DC角色，這個(gè)創(chuàng)作過(guò)程相比之前是完全不同的。

Q： In these kinds of moives, how do you balance these characters?

在這些電影中，你如何平衡這些角色？

A：You have to make sure that you devote enough time to each character to let their .. doing things, and who they are。 And honestly, we will bring them together。And they will actually work well together。 Maybe they have struggled to work together. And you have to figure out what's the result will be。Maybe they will never work well together。 They will fail  All those things help make this complex story and all these characters work。

你必須確保給予每個(gè)角色足夠的時(shí)間，讓他們做自己想做的事情，以及他們是誰(shuí)。說(shuō)實(shí)話，我們會(huì)把他們放在一起，而且他們會(huì)一起很好地合作，他們也許不會(huì)合作很多，也許會(huì)歷經(jīng)失敗。但所有這些都有助于使這個(gè)復(fù)雜的故事和所有人物奏效。

Q：Fox Example，in detail how to balance the role of Wonder Women and Super Man？

舉個(gè)例子，你如何從細(xì)節(jié)上去平衡神奇女俠和超人這兩個(gè)角色？

A：You have to see the movie really to see what we do and how we do it， I think we do really some interesting surprising and fun things, that make sense with the context of what characters are doing in the movie。

你必須看這部電影，看看我們做的是什么，是怎么做的。我認(rèn)為我們確實(shí)做了一些有趣、令人驚喜和好玩的事情，這些事情與電影中的角色是有意義的。

【話娛】小編認(rèn)為：在查爾斯·羅文看來(lái)，《正義者聯(lián)盟》最大驚喜之一就是塑造了一個(gè)跨越了宇宙觀，跨越了種族跨，越了時(shí)空的超級(jí)大聯(lián)盟，并且在有限的時(shí)間把每個(gè)英雄都塑造得很立體。

近日，國(guó)內(nèi)外一些媒體已提前閱片，目前來(lái)看，英雄們的角色塑造是影評(píng)人最為認(rèn)可。美國(guó)Comicbook網(wǎng)站這樣評(píng)論道：“《正義聯(lián)盟》對(duì)英雄的塑造找對(duì)了方向，從頭到尾都很fun，每個(gè)成員都超級(jí)出彩，海王slay，鋼骨‘屌炸’，閃電俠極棒，神奇女俠的單人電影已經(jīng)貢獻(xiàn)了足夠多人物塑造，蝙蝠俠將他們聚集起來(lái)，感覺(jué)很棒。”

影迷喜歡看超級(jí)英雄片，也有部分原因來(lái)自于英雄情結(jié)，對(duì)大多數(shù)的普通人來(lái)說(shuō)，大家內(nèi)心都藏匿著一顆向往英雄的情感種子。這或許也是查爾斯·羅文鐘情于制作超級(jí)英雄片的原因。

制作漫改電影最重要的是保持興奮，超級(jí)英雄也有普通人的故事

Q：In terms of Comic-book adaptation films, you could be called the master producer, so how to make a successful piece, what's the most important points for producing comic-book adaption?

在漫畫改編電影方面，你可以稱為制作人大師，你認(rèn)為如何才能做出成功的作品，制作漫畫改編電影最重要的是什么？

A: I mean, honestly, I think making films is one of the best jobs in the world， I have a great time doing it。 But the most important thing, I think on any movies that you make, you may have a passion for it。

說(shuō)實(shí)話，我認(rèn)為制作電影是世界上最棒的工作之一，我很享受做這件事。但是最重要的是，我認(rèn)為你必須對(duì)你制作的任何一部電影都有激情。

Because it takes a long time to do it, you know this movie takes two and a half years, sometimes longer。 From the time of you are thinking about doing it, until it comes out, could be 3 years。 And if you have to spend that much time working on it, you need to have a passion for it。 And I think that the most important thing, is really being exciting about what you are going to work everday。

因?yàn)檫@樣做需要很長(zhǎng)時(shí)間，制作這部電影我用了兩年半的時(shí)間，有的電影甚至需要更長(zhǎng)的時(shí)間。從你正在考慮作這件事到做出成果，可能需要3年時(shí)間。如果你必須花費(fèi)這么多的時(shí)間來(lái)做這件事，那么你需要對(duì)它充滿激情。而且我認(rèn)為最重要的事情，是要對(duì)你每天上班做的事情保持興奮。

You have to figure out the way in. When you find the way in these characters, superheros are just regular people. Because one of the key is to make these superheros interesting is finding out these man have these powers， They are just regular people。 They got regular problems。

你必須找到進(jìn)入的路徑，當(dāng)你找到這些角色的進(jìn)入途徑時(shí)，其實(shí)超級(jí)英雄和普通人物是一樣的。因?yàn)樽屵@些超級(jí)英雄有趣的一個(gè)關(guān)鍵因素，就是發(fā)現(xiàn)這些人也經(jīng)常會(huì)遇到普通人遇到的問(wèn)題。

Well, wonderwoman is really a good example of a character, that you can see a lot of yourself in。 And in terms of things that she is trying to do。 And she is very naive at certain times but strong at other times. So she got very wonderful qualities that hard to resist。

神奇女俠就是一個(gè)很好的角色例子，你可以在她身上和她所努力的事情中看到自己的影子。她在某些時(shí)候非常天真，但在其他時(shí)候很強(qiáng)大。所以她具有難以抗拒的完美特質(zhì)。

Q：Will you still be the producer of the film "the flash"?

你還會(huì)擔(dān)任電影《閃電俠》（“the flash”）的制片人嗎？

A： No,At one time, I was going to produce many of them。 Further developed what was going on， It became very apparent that couldn't be making a film in the US, making a film in Europe, making a film in Austrail, all at the same time。

不，曾經(jīng)有一段時(shí)間我要制作很多作品，進(jìn)一步推進(jìn)正在做的事情。很明顯，我不能同一時(shí)間既在美國(guó)制作電影、又在歐洲制作電影、還在澳大利亞制作電影。

Q：will you feel sad for leaving（DC）？

你會(huì)為離開(kāi)DC感到難過(guò)嗎？

A：Well, how do you mean， Why I am sad？ I love making DC films。 I love these characters very much。 But I've also made films outside of DC Universe, that I know I've been successful。 So I like those characters too， So I am just happy to do what I am doing。

你的意思是問(wèn)我為什么會(huì)難過(guò)嗎？我非常喜歡制作DC的電影，我非常喜歡這些角色。但是我也制作了DC漫畫英雄之外的電影，我知道我已經(jīng)成功了。所以我也喜歡那些角色，因此我很樂(lè)意我現(xiàn)在做的事情。

【話娛】小編在翻閱資料還發(fā)現(xiàn)，作為DC電影背后的男人，查爾斯·羅文參與制作的電影不僅有一系列超級(jí)英雄片，他也是《長(zhǎng)城》這部備受爭(zhēng)議的中美合拍影片的制片人。

《長(zhǎng)城》票房表現(xiàn)不達(dá)預(yù)期是因?yàn)榘延捌瑥?fù)雜化了

Q：Do you have the interest to producing Chinese Comic adaptation film? Do you already know some Chinese piece?

你有興趣制作中國(guó)漫畫改編的電影嗎？ 你知道一些中國(guó)的作品嗎？

A： But you know I've made a film of China, a bilingual film. I enjoy that process。 I love this country very much， I hope I cam make more films here. I don't know about Chinese comedy，I almost know the famous Stevens Chou， I think he is a incretible talent guy. We started to work together。

我曾拍過(guò)一部關(guān)于中國(guó)的雙語(yǔ)電影，我喜歡這個(gè)過(guò)程，我非常喜歡這個(gè)國(guó)家，我希望我能在這里拍更多的電影。我還認(rèn)識(shí)周星馳，我認(rèn)為他是一個(gè)不可思議的天才，我們?cè)黄鸸ぷ鳌?/span>

Q：Will you try co-production in terms of cooperation? 

你會(huì)嘗試以合拍片的形式嗎？

A：If it make seme to the film,i will do it  definitely，Great Wall was a co-production， it was interesting process making that film that i learned something iwilldn't do ogain ，something i will do ogain。I think in our try to make a eastern film with a sort of western feel ，i think that we make it too complicated ，i think we hurght too many people in。

如果這種形式對(duì)電影項(xiàng)目行得通的話，我肯定會(huì)這么做的。《長(zhǎng)城》就是一個(gè)合拍片，我覺(jué)得在那個(gè)過(guò)程中我們學(xué)到很多東西，哪些內(nèi)容會(huì)繼續(xù)做，哪些東西是不會(huì)再做的，我們嘗試把一個(gè)東方的電影，帶有西方的感覺(jué)。我覺(jué)得是我們把它弄復(fù)雜了，我們帶入了太多的人進(jìn)入這個(gè)電影。

Q:In you opinion, how to make this film get success in both markets?

在你看來(lái)，如何讓這部電影在兩個(gè)市場(chǎng)都取得成功？

A： It's not easy to be successful in any individual market， More films unsuccessful than successful。 So if you are trying to have a world-wide success, that's alreay raising the bar. So I love that challenge, but it is a challenge，I agree that doesn't make any sense to me as a film maker. But there are definitely some co-production you should follow。

在任何一個(gè)市場(chǎng)上取得成功都不容易，更多的電影是不成功的。所以，如果你想在世界范圍內(nèi)取得成功，那么你已經(jīng)給自己提高了標(biāo)準(zhǔn)。因此雖然我喜歡這種挑戰(zhàn)，但這確實(shí)是有挑戰(zhàn)性。作為一個(gè)電影制片人，我認(rèn)為這對(duì)我我沒(méi)有任何意義。但確實(shí)在一些方面你需要與別人合作。

Q: It seems that it is not as easy as before for Hollywood production to reach 1 billion RMB OFFICE in Chinese film marker, the Chinese audiences said the story in the sequel is not great, lack of creativity, as  a producer, how do you think of this problem?

似乎目前好萊塢電影在中國(guó)市場(chǎng)拿下10億票房已經(jīng)不像以前那么容易了，中國(guó)觀眾說(shuō)續(xù)集里的故事不夠精彩，缺乏創(chuàng)造力，作為一個(gè)制片人，你怎么看這個(gè)問(wèn)題？

A: Maybe somebody should redo the threshold. Let's take for an example, Batman begins earn, I think, in US dollars terms, 440 million. The darklight, which was a sequal, earn 1 billion. The darklight rises which was the third, earn 1 billion 100 million。Iron man 2 was bigger than Iron man 1, and Iron man 3 was bigger than Iron man 2。 Spiderman series，Spiderman 2 was bigger than spiderman 1。

也許應(yīng)該重新設(shè)定門檻。舉一個(gè)例子，我認(rèn)為，《蝙蝠俠》一開(kāi)始賺了4.4億美元。續(xù)集《黑暗騎士》賺了10億美元。第三部《黑暗騎士崛起》，賺了11億美元?！朵撹F俠》第一部比《鋼鐵俠》第二部票房高，《鋼鐵俠》第二部比《鋼鐵俠》第三部票房高。再有《蜘蛛俠》系列，《蜘蛛俠》第二部比《蜘蛛俠》第一步票房高。

I was asked earlier whether get superhero fatigue，I think to answer that question is very similar to answer your question. These movies are getting continued to do better, if the stories are good, if the character who are visiting, when we see at the first time, are still interesting at the second time. Because what's going with them, is compelling, or we want to see what's gonna happen with them。That's the most important thing. The characters have to be interesting and changing。

早先我曾被問(wèn)到是否對(duì)超級(jí)英雄產(chǎn)生了疲勞感。我認(rèn)為，回答這個(gè)問(wèn)題與回答你的問(wèn)題非常相似。如果故事情節(jié)好，再次看到第一次所看到的角色時(shí)我們?nèi)匀桓杏X(jué)這個(gè)人物很有趣。因?yàn)樗麄兩砩习l(fā)生的事情是引人入勝的，或者我們想看看他們身上將會(huì)發(fā)生什么。這是最重要的事情，角色必須是有趣和不斷變化的。

Q：so， genevrally speaking， it’s the character pull the story more ，or the story push the  character change？

那么總得來(lái)說(shuō)，是人物讓故事往前推進(jìn)，還是故事讓人物往前推進(jìn)？

A：it’s both! it's the combination of seeling the character and making sure the story compaing to match。

是兩者都有。是角色改變和故事延續(xù)性兩個(gè)相匹配，這些是我們?cè)谧鰟”镜臅r(shí)候就問(wèn)過(guò)自己的問(wèn)題，是否有這些東西可以讓續(xù)集拍得更好看一些。

Q：sill you have hell the producer fou Great Wall will had the highest budyt in Sino American co productions，will be much simple if we focus on just one market？

你已經(jīng)做了目前最大投資的中美合拍片《長(zhǎng)城》，之前你也提到這個(gè)項(xiàng)目讓你收獲了很多，那是否在項(xiàng)目成立之初就應(yīng)該只選擇一個(gè)市場(chǎng)，會(huì)更加簡(jiǎn)單一點(diǎn)呢？

A:I want to make a film for the world wide market. As somebody who is trying to tell a story, I want that story  be impressive by most people. So why we are limited to one market。I'm old enongh to remember ，when people caid ：come on yourfilm，NO one is going to see them ，and i'm telling you that there is going to he many many suercessful wually successful co-prodoce it's have morthy to be co-prodoction。

我想為世界市場(chǎng)拍一部電影。作為一個(gè)想講述故事的人，我希望這個(gè)故事會(huì)讓大多數(shù)人印象深刻，為什么我們要只限于一個(gè)市場(chǎng)。我還記得當(dāng)時(shí)人們對(duì)我說(shuō)，算了吧，沒(méi)有人會(huì)去看你的電影?，F(xiàn)在我告訴你，今后會(huì)有很多很多成功的合拍片，這些影片都是值得用合拍片的方式來(lái)制作的。